Hi, Phillip. don't know why the mail would be returned. The address I see above is correct. sierra_mtnivew@...2979... The only thing I can think of is that yahoo mail wanted you to allow you to ask for permission. Beats me.
Frankly, I've never really liked the reply format of mail lists. I use Thunderbird on Win. Sometimes I see messages in my inbox from someone and wonder are they trying for a private comm or just sending me a courtesy msg so that I should follow up on the list. Then there's Reply vs Reply All, and some filter problems. The latter can produce what I call the boomerang effect. Mail intended for me goes right into the list folder. There are goblins out there.
To me all this can be solved by one word, Forum. Not a mail list. Aside from the possible cost (to the Python Org?), comm is much clearer on them. Perhaps one disadvantage is that some people apparently have some bizarre form of e-mail that is not suitable for them. Otherwise, I have no idea why they are not more often used.
html not allowed? The rules just vary too much to follow this. Same with bottom vs top posting in NGs. My view, and I'm not trying to be unfriendly here, is if one doesn't like what they see, ignore it, and don't respond.
+NG. Expect the unexpected. The warriors and self appointed moderators hang out there. Some are just begging for a fight.
+e-mail. If you aren't communicating with your friends, misunderstanding often prevail.
+Forums: Almost bliss. I must belong to 30 of them.
I must say that I am really puzzled by your comments about a footnote. I really don't use them much. I've probably posted thousands of msgs to NGs, forums, mail lists and I've never heard word one about footnotes. I use them as I see fit, and that's not very often. In fact, I like your use of the footnote below.
I'm not even going to touch etiquette. I'd be really impressed if anyone follows them. I'll just say this. Internet communication by any of the methods above is sometimes just plain weird. It takes patience to use these methods. That includes personal e-mail. Someone should write a book about it. Preferably a shrink of psychologist. IMHO, the internet is generally meant for easy and informal communications, and not studied carefully written posts. That doesn't mean some care isn't needed. I see matters as a running dialogs. Both parties need to ask questions about clarity. Too much is often assumed.Maybe I'll write about it. Let's not hold our breaths.
Hey, no footnotes used above. VBG
On 2/14/2010 1:39 PM, Philipp Bender wrote:
(I wanted to answer you directly but the mail came back, don't know why)
I have several points that
you really should work on if you expect anyone to answer to your mails in
future. First, you should check the destination of your messages. I got at
least three of your messages addressed only for me, you obviously wanted to
send them to the list but they only reached me. So I didn't answer because the
mailing list should be an open and searchable discussion platform and I didn't
want to forward your message to the list or something like that. Please check
that carefully in future.
The next thing is that everyone must have the feeling that you completely
ignore replies. This link here should have been an alert for you:
This was posted as reply to one of your mails. One thing explained there is to
cite the original mail after the own reply, instead you should cite the
original issue at the beginning or in parts directly before the parts of the
answer. See below:
How to do foo bar?
Just like that.
You see? The same thing about your footnotes*.
Another thing is the HTML I received from your adress two times -- HTML has
neither benefit nor a good reputation in mailing lists. I delete HTML mails
without reading it in most cases.
And, but that's maybe more a personal thing, I find it very unfriendly to ask
in the subject and write in the body something like "(see subject)" -- we take
the time to read your message, in respect to that you also should take the
time to ask a complete question.
Please don't misunderstand this message -- I don't want to blame you, I want
to help you and make sure that you get answers to your questions in future.
* like this one here. They don't help you, they don't explain anything, they
don't help me reading the message, they have absolutely no benefit.
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