list moderation

Folks,

We have a pretty high false-positive rate in the python.org mailing list
moderation queues (mostly due to the 'must be a member to post' policy). I
just cleared them from May - now (which is why there is a huge spike in
emails just now >:) )

Do we want to:
a) relax that (at the cost of getting a bit more spam)
b) some more people volunteer to help moderate the list

Tom
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Why not c) just discard all emails rejected with a message back to the user as to the explanation.? Up to the user to correct the problem and try again.? If they weren't a member, then become a member.? If you spam with large graphics, then upload it somewhere else and insert a link instead.

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From: Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com>
To: matplotlib development list <matplotlib-devel at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, 5 August 2017, 18:41
Subject: [Matplotlib-devel] list moderation
   
Folks,
We have a pretty high false-positive rate in the python.org mailing list moderation queues (mostly due to the 'must be a member to post' policy).? I just cleared them from May - now (which is why there is a huge spike in emails just now >:) )?
Do we want to:?a) relax that (at the cost of getting a bit more spam)?b) some more people volunteer to help moderate the list?
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We should try to be an open and welcoming community. Getting bounced from
the mailing list is not the best first impression to a new user looking for
help!

Tom

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On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM OceanWolf <juichenieder-nabb at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Why not c) just discard all emails rejected with a message back to the
user as to the explanation. Up to the user to correct the problem and try
again. If they weren't a member, then become a member. If you spam with
large graphics, then upload it somewhere else and insert a link instead.

------------------------------
*From:* Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com>
*To:* matplotlib development list <matplotlib-devel at python.org>
*Sent:* Saturday, 5 August 2017, 18:41
*Subject:* [Matplotlib-devel] list moderation

Folks,

We have a pretty high false-positive rate in the python.org mailing list
moderation queues (mostly due to the 'must be a member to post' policy). I
just cleared them from May - now (which is why there is a huge spike in
emails just now >:) )

Do we want to:
a) relax that (at the cost of getting a bit more spam)
b) some more people volunteer to help moderate the list

Tom
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You can just make the bounce message nice. If you aren't a member of the list you can't expect to see the answer to your query anyways, so asking someone to be signed up for the list isnt particularly user hostile. And nowhere near as bad as getting no answer at all for three months ;-).

Cheers. Jody.

···

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2017, at 10:18, Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com> wrote:

We should try to be an open and welcoming community. Getting bounced from the mailing list is not the best first impression to a new user looking for help!

Tom

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM OceanWolf <juichenieder-nabb at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Why not c) just discard all emails rejected with a message back to the user as to the explanation. Up to the user to correct the problem and try again. If they weren't a member, then become a member. If you spam with large graphics, then upload it somewhere else and insert a link instead.

From: Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com>
To: matplotlib development list <matplotlib-devel at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, 5 August 2017, 18:41
Subject: [Matplotlib-devel] list moderation

Folks,

We have a pretty high false-positive rate in the python.org mailing list moderation queues (mostly due to the 'must be a member to post' policy). I just cleared them from May - now (which is why there is a huge spike in emails just now >:) )

Do we want to:
a) relax that (at the cost of getting a bit more spam)
b) some more people volunteer to help moderate the list

Tom
_______________________________________________
Matplotlib-devel mailing list
Matplotlib-devel at python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/matplotlib-devel

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Exactamundo Jody, and add to that we have designated this list as a discussion place for developers, and not for a new user looking for help, as far as I know we had a separate list for that, "matplotlib-users", or did that disappear when we switched to python.org for the list hosting?

Best,Ocean Wolf

···

From: Klymak Jody <jklymak at uvic.ca>
To: Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com>
Cc: OceanWolf <juichenieder-nabb at yahoo.co.uk>; matplotlib development list <matplotlib-devel at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, 5 August 2017, 19:28
Subject: Re: [Matplotlib-devel] list moderation
   
You can just make the bounce message nice. ?If you aren't a member of the list you can't expect to see the answer to your query anyways, so asking someone to be signed up for the list isnt particularly user hostile. ?And nowhere near as bad as getting no answer at all for three months ;-).?
Cheers. ?Jody.?

Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 5, 2017, at 10:18, Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com> wrote:

We should try to be an open and welcoming community.? Getting bounced from the mailing list is not the best first impression to a new user looking for help!
Tom
On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM OceanWolf <juichenieder-nabb at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Why not c) just discard all emails rejected with a message back to the user as to the explanation.? Up to the user to correct the problem and try again.? If they weren't a member, then become a member.? If you spam with large graphics, then upload it somewhere else and insert a link instead.

      From: Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com>
To: matplotlib development list <matplotlib-devel at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, 5 August 2017, 18:41
Subject: [Matplotlib-devel] list moderation
  
Folks,
We have a pretty high false-positive rate in the python.org mailing list moderation queues (mostly due to the 'must be a member to post' policy).? I just cleared them from May - now (which is why there is a huge spike in emails just now >:) )?
Do we want to:?a) relax that (at the cost of getting a bit more spam)?b) some more people volunteer to help moderate the list?
Tom_______________________________________________
Matplotlib-devel mailing list
Matplotlib-devel at python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/matplotlib-devel

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I think Tom is referring to the matplotlib-users list, not the devel
list. Nevertheless, I agree with Jody that a well-designed bounce
message requesting signing up to the list, and including clear
instructions, would be fine.

Eric

···

On 2017/08/05 8:23 AM, OceanWolf via Matplotlib-devel wrote:

Exactamundo Jody, and add to that we have designated this list as a
discussion place for developers, and not for a new user looking for
help, as far as I know we had a separate list for that,
"matplotlib-users", or did that disappear when we switched to python.org
for the list hosting?

Best,
Ocean Wolf

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*From:* Klymak Jody <jklymak at uvic.ca>
*To:* Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com>
*Cc:* OceanWolf <juichenieder-nabb at yahoo.co.uk>; matplotlib development
list <matplotlib-devel at python.org>
*Sent:* Saturday, 5 August 2017, 19:28
*Subject:* Re: [Matplotlib-devel] list moderation

You can just make the bounce message nice. If you aren't a member of
the list you can't expect to see the answer to your query anyways, so
asking someone to be signed up for the list isnt particularly user
hostile. And nowhere near as bad as getting no answer at all for three
months ;-).

Cheers. Jody.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2017, at 10:18, Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com > <mailto:tcaswell at gmail.com>> wrote:

We should try to be an open and welcoming community. Getting bounced
from the mailing list is not the best first impression to a new user
looking for help!

Tom

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM OceanWolf >> <juichenieder-nabb at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:juichenieder-nabb at yahoo.co.uk>> >> wrote:

    Why not c) just discard all emails rejected with a message back to
    the user as to the explanation. Up to the user to correct the
    problem and try again. If they weren't a member, then become a
    member. If you spam with large graphics, then upload it somewhere
    else and insert a link instead.

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    *From:* Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com
    <mailto:tcaswell at gmail.com>>
    *To:* matplotlib development list <matplotlib-devel at python.org
    <mailto:matplotlib-devel at python.org>>
    *Sent:* Saturday, 5 August 2017, 18:41
    *Subject:* [Matplotlib-devel] list moderation

    Folks,

    We have a pretty high false-positive rate in the python.org
    <http://python.org/> mailing list moderation queues (mostly due to
    the 'must be a member to post' policy). I just cleared them from
    May - now (which is why there is a huge spike in emails just now
    >:) )

    Do we want to:
     a) relax that (at the cost of getting a bit more spam)
     b) some more people volunteer to help moderate the list

    Tom
    _______________________________________________
    Matplotlib-devel mailing list
    Matplotlib-devel at python.org <mailto:Matplotlib-devel at python.org>
    https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/matplotlib-devel

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Matplotlib-devel at python.org <mailto:Matplotlib-devel at python.org>
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I was thinking of the user list (
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/matplotlib-users which you should
totally join oceanwolf :wink: )

Off list Jody volunteered to help with moderating and I set my self up to
get the moderation emails from the python.org lists. With the two of us on
this I think we should be set (but if anyone else wants to help I will not
say no!).

Tom

···

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 2:51 PM Eric Firing <efiring at hawaii.edu> wrote:

I think Tom is referring to the matplotlib-users list, not the devel
list. Nevertheless, I agree with Jody that a well-designed bounce
message requesting signing up to the list, and including clear
instructions, would be fine.

Eric

On 2017/08/05 8:23 AM, OceanWolf via Matplotlib-devel wrote:
> Exactamundo Jody, and add to that we have designated this list as a
> discussion place for developers, and not for a new user looking for
> help, as far as I know we had a separate list for that,
> "matplotlib-users", or did that disappear when we switched to python.org
> for the list hosting?
>
> Best,
> Ocean Wolf
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Klymak Jody <jklymak at uvic.ca>
> *To:* Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* OceanWolf <juichenieder-nabb at yahoo.co.uk>; matplotlib development
> list <matplotlib-devel at python.org>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 5 August 2017, 19:28
> *Subject:* Re: [Matplotlib-devel] list moderation
>
> You can just make the bounce message nice. If you aren't a member of
> the list you can't expect to see the answer to your query anyways, so
> asking someone to be signed up for the list isnt particularly user
> hostile. And nowhere near as bad as getting no answer at all for three
> months ;-).
>
> Cheers. Jody.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 5, 2017, at 10:18, Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com > > <mailto:tcaswell at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> We should try to be an open and welcoming community. Getting bounced
>> from the mailing list is not the best first impression to a new user
>> looking for help!
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM OceanWolf > >> <juichenieder-nabb at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:juichenieder-nabb at yahoo.co.uk>> > >> wrote:
>>
>> Why not c) just discard all emails rejected with a message back to
>> the user as to the explanation. Up to the user to correct the
>> problem and try again. If they weren't a member, then become a
>> member. If you spam with large graphics, then upload it somewhere
>> else and insert a link instead.
>>
>>
>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com
>> <mailto:tcaswell at gmail.com>>
>> *To:* matplotlib development list <matplotlib-devel at python.org
>> <mailto:matplotlib-devel at python.org>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 5 August 2017, 18:41
>> *Subject:* [Matplotlib-devel] list moderation
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> We have a pretty high false-positive rate in the python.org
>> <http://python.org/> mailing list moderation queues (mostly due to
>> the 'must be a member to post' policy). I just cleared them from
>> May - now (which is why there is a huge spike in emails just now
>> >:) )
>>
>> Do we want to:
>> a) relax that (at the cost of getting a bit more spam)
>> b) some more people volunteer to help moderate the list
>>
>> Tom
>> _______________________________________________
>> Matplotlib-devel mailing list
>> Matplotlib-devel at python.org <mailto:Matplotlib-devel at python.org>
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/matplotlib-devel
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Matplotlib-devel at python.org <mailto:Matplotlib-devel at python.org>
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/matplotlib-devel
>
>
>
>
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> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/matplotlib-devel
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Mwahahahahaha, I lurk on the #matplotlib channel on irc.freenode.net :).

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From: Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com>
To: Eric Firing <efiring at hawaii.edu>; matplotlib-devel at python.org
Sent: Sunday, 6 August 2017, 1:23
Subject: Re: [Matplotlib-devel] list moderation
   
I was thinking of the user list (https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/matplotlib-users?which you should totally join oceanwolf :wink: )?
Off list Jody volunteered to help with moderating and I set my self up to get the moderation emails from the python.org lists.? With the two of us on this I think we should be set (but if anyone else wants to help I will not say no!).
Tom

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 2:51 PM Eric Firing <efiring at hawaii.edu> wrote:

I think Tom is referring to the matplotlib-users list, not the devel
list.? Nevertheless, I agree with Jody that a well-designed bounce
message requesting signing up to the list, and including clear
instructions, would be fine.

Eric

On 2017/08/05 8:23 AM, OceanWolf via Matplotlib-devel wrote:

Exactamundo Jody, and add to that we have designated this list as a
discussion place for developers, and not for a new user looking for
help, as far as I know we had a separate list for that,
"matplotlib-users", or did that disappear when we switched to python.org
for the list hosting?

Best,
Ocean Wolf

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*From:* Klymak Jody <jklymak at uvic.ca>
*To:* Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com>
*Cc:* OceanWolf <juichenieder-nabb at yahoo.co.uk>; matplotlib development
list <matplotlib-devel at python.org>
*Sent:* Saturday, 5 August 2017, 19:28
*Subject:* Re: [Matplotlib-devel] list moderation

You can just make the bounce message nice.? If you aren't a member of
the list you can't expect to see the answer to your query anyways, so
asking someone to be signed up for the list isnt particularly user
hostile.? And nowhere near as bad as getting no answer at all for three
months ;-).

Cheers.? Jody.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2017, at 10:18, Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com > <mailto:tcaswell at gmail.com>> wrote:

We should try to be an open and welcoming community.? Getting bounced
from the mailing list is not the best first impression to a new user
looking for help!

Tom

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM OceanWolf >> <juichenieder-nabb at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:juichenieder-nabb at yahoo.co.uk>> >> wrote:

? ? ?Why not c) just discard all emails rejected with a message back to
? ? ?the user as to the explanation.? Up to the user to correct the
? ? ?problem and try again.? If they weren't a member, then become a
? ? ?member.? If you spam with large graphics, then upload it somewhere
? ? ?else and insert a link instead.

? ? ?------------------------------------------------------------------------
? ? ?*From:* Thomas Caswell <tcaswell at gmail.com
? ? ?<mailto:tcaswell at gmail.com>>
? ? ?*To:* matplotlib development list <matplotlib-devel at python.org
? ? ?<mailto:matplotlib-devel at python.org>>
? ? ?*Sent:* Saturday, 5 August 2017, 18:41
? ? ?*Subject:* [Matplotlib-devel] list moderation

? ? ?Folks,

? ? ?We have a pretty high false-positive rate in the python.org
? ? ?<http://python.org/> mailing list moderation queues (mostly due to
? ? ?the 'must be a member to post' policy).? I just cleared them from
? ? ?May - now (which is why there is a huge spike in emails just now
? ? ?>:) )

? ? ?Do we want to:
? ? ? a) relax that (at the cost of getting a bit more spam)
? ? ? b) some more people volunteer to help moderate the list

? ? ?Tom
? ? ?_______________________________________________
? ? ?Matplotlib-devel mailing list
? ? ?Matplotlib-devel at python.org <mailto:Matplotlib-devel at python.org>
? ? ?https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/matplotlib-devel

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